Dr. Grumpy: "What's up? You've been with Dr. Moonray for years?"
Mrs. Bos: "He went to some seminar on 'natural health' and now he tells me that my epilepsy is from drinking milk. He said that if I stop all dairy products, my epilepsy will cure itself, and I can quit taking Depakote."
Dr. Grumpy: "You've had epilepsy since you were a kid, haven't you?"
Mrs. Bos: "Yeah, and it runs in my family. My sister actually died a few years ago when she stopped her medications, and he says I should sue her doctor because he never discussed stopping milk with her."
Dr. Grumpy: "Wow."
Mrs. Bos: "Yeah, and when I told him that I liked and trusted you, he told me you were secretly being paid by the pharmacy and dairy companies to hide the truth about medications and milk from your patients."
Dr. Grumpy: "WHAT?!!!"
Mrs. Bos: "Yeah, that's exactly what I said."
Pause
Dr. Grumpy: "Let me give you some names..."
41 comments:
Maybe its because he stopped drinking milk...!?
Names?
You are not supposed to tell anyone when you hire a hit-man...
Stupidity abounds in all shapes and sizes.
Shouldn't you report this or something?
It's comforting to know that there are some people in the world that don't automatically fall in for the "natural"/CAM BS and trust medicine/real doctors and healthcare professionals, not magic. The bigpharma payoff of MDs has to stop too...
It's a good thing this guy knew better. What if someone had listened to this guy? Scary.
Oh my........yikes!
"Moonray" - you are being way too nice here ....
People do listen to this. I have a friend that believes exactly what Dr. G posted. Anti-milk, natural healing, Big Pharma...the whole nine yards. ANd then she tries to convince me I am basically abusing my children because I take them to the doctor for such things as asthma, strep throat, etc. Her kids got strep and she flat out refused to take them to the doctor because she didn't want them to have antibiotics. SMH - hello, rheumatic fever?
A doctor believes that dairy causes epilepsy, and suggested someone sue a doctor?? I hear brain tumors can cause irrational behavior- maybe Dr. Moonray should come see you?
Agree with previous poster- do you need to report him? Political beliefs are one thing, but dairy---->epilepsy is bad science and bad practice.
Bullshit- hey, it's natural!
What if the milk is artisanal? Does that make a difference?
o Doctors are humanoids, too. Going to medical school doesn't grant you all-knowing ability [despite what many doctors -- and their patients -- seem to believe].
o For some reason, going to medical school seems to remove all scientific knowledge from many students heads. If I had a penny for every M.D. who was incapable of understanding the basic scientific principle of "correlation is not causation", I'd have quite the sum.
[When's the last time you heard a doctor say, "In my practice I've seen..." as if their experiences make it actual scientific proof? (Most other medical professionals do this, too.)]
o This is how the Dr Phils and Ozs and other nitwits get created, the "doctors" that the mass media serves up to gullible doofuses fawning over their television.
If they put Dr before their name, they must be experts, right?
o The secret truth is that there is a dairy conspiracy. The cows are going to take over the planet by putting special chemicals in the milk of the cows on dairy farms, so that humans will be more receptive to their mind control. Shhh. It's not safe to talk here.
I think it's scary. Maybe I'm gonna turn in to an idiot as well.
This is no bull, I am glad that you weren't stalled in your decision to refer, I recognize the horns of your dilema ,but it is good that you were not cowed by the udderly ridiculous manure Moonray was spreading. Moonray sounds ready to go out to pasture.
Hay,can you tell I don't drink milk?
Wow - I AM a naturopathic doctor. Licensed for primary care. No self respecting naturopath I know would ever advise this.
To give the doc credit - the doctor could have said to her - "why don't you try going off dairy and see if that helps you might be able to get off your meds". Patients hear what they want to/or not.
By the way, many foods do contribute to neurological symptoms for other commenters. Dairy is not strongly associated with seizures and would only be a contributor not a cause. Any discontinuation of a food which would not hurt the patient, would be advised with continual usage of medication.
The dairy lobby is attempting to steal our precious bodily fluids and corrupt our Purity of Essence. WAKE UP!
Sad, another lost to the dark side.
www.scincebasedmedicine.org
so coke or pepsi ? which mega drink company do you think bought Moonbeam off, in order to slander the white sauce??
count how many toddlers run around with soda in their cups/bottles these days???
Dr. Grumpy did you tell your patient to inform her internist that she was mooving right along?? Sorry couldn't resist the mooing pun.
Seriously though where is the commonsense?
BTW you can tell your neighbor you CAN get rheumatic fever.
The association of rheumatic fever and strep has only occured in significant numbers in one population—an army base—decades ago. Yet this anomaly is the basis of the "standard of care" for strep throat. Far more people are harmed by antibiotics than develop rheumatic fever.
(I'm not into woo; I'm just pointing out that what we think is science-based medicine is not always the case.)
The artisan milk comment made me laugh out loud!
I don't know if I was near the discussed army base, but I did have strep throat that was heading towards rheumatic fever. I managed to get two weeks of school off for that illness. This was over 40 years ago and antibiotics were still considered the "wonder drug" and when I saw the Navy docs it was almost always the same routine: Temp taken, exam, shot of penicillin.
Antibiotics have there place but more importantly you do need to see the doc once in awhile when you are sick. Sometimes you need traditional medical care.
there are quite a few studies that suggest milk really isn't as healthy as people think it is. look it up on pubmed ;) so why not try it? im sure there are test to see if it's safe to stop the epilepsy meds.. and if it doesn't help.. so what.
and yes, i do believe in antibiotics and actually treating diseases.
What would it hurt to eliminate milk/casein from the diet and see if it helps? I know for a fact that since I eliminated it from my own diet, I've been healthier. Same with one of my daughters.
The reason that rheumatic fever is not so common now is because most people trust their doctor and take antibiotics for the pathogen known as Group A Strep. Imagine that!
You can start the same darn argument about vaccines and whooping cough. Guess the anti-vaxers forgot that pathogens still exist and kill!
So now it is milk and epilepsy. Pick a crazy fight, it is still crazy.
Why isn't anything done to get these kooks out of the profession?
I find it amazing that everyone automatically believes that the patient understood what the doctor was saying. Since when do patients always hear correctly!
Meh, I think that anybody who has been weaned off the teat doesn't need to be drinking milk anyway.
You can find a crazy in any line of work. While I'd like to think the patient misheard and the doc couldn't have possibly said that, it is certainly possible (and definitely more likely) Dr. Moonbeam really is that whacko
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Trust a yak herder to come up across the established moo cow industry on this one. (It's all tied into government subsidies for the artisanal cheese-makers... as opposed to gjetost and goat milkers)
So, those Mongolians' yaks and their kefir precipitated the Kung Foo fighters and invasionary forces of Huns and marauders, and that is why there is a Great Wall that can be seen from outer space?
C'mon, now, when have you ever seen a seizing baby at the teat?
Wait, wait, is that the alarm to get up that I hear? Did you say it's time to get up out of one of those crazy dreams after too much yogurt before sleep?
People actually take naprapaths seriously? Wow...
Let me moo in here. Dr. Moonray is just flat wrong. If he doesn't stop this socialist BS, he's gonna end up with some hoof prints on his butt and a cow pie on his head.
Don't cross me, Moonray! I'm a Holstein, and I'm snorting in your direction!
To Anonymous @ 5:52 pm,
Umm, the patient may have mis-interpreted the bit about "drinking milk = eilepsy", but the remarks about Big Pharma and Big Dairy paying off Dr. Grumpy are a bit harder to explain as a "misunderstanding".
Well....as Bugs Bunny would say..."What a gull-a-bull".
Nurse Lilly - "artisanal milk" is what my grandfather used to do before they got that milking machine - the cows were milked by hand!
Supposedly, having been given milk as a child caused my progressive form of MS too. See, it isn't just epilepsy. Dang neuros had better get on this. That is another ridiculous theory du jour, along with the gluten thing having caused it. If stopping dairy consumption and giving up all wheat and legumes helps you, then do it. Some people swear by it.
Have been vegetarian for 38 years, but am not vegan (so sue me). Love yogurt and cheese for that matter. I'm thin and if I listened to all the cure all stuff I would have literally nothing to eat, nothing, probably not even water to drink. Sigh.
I do love cows but I can only eat so many lentils and garbonzos, so what else is there for protein on a daily basis. Nuts, quinoa, so much work and I rarely cook. Now, I'm also supposed to avoid tofu and other soy, forget it.
Can we live on air?
Dr G, I thought, you were being paid off, by the diet coke people?
I never drink milk, I substitute Ben and Jerry's instead, much healthier and no sleazures!
This dr needs a brain MRI and, second step, a psych consult.
My brother died of cancer of the tongue which he treated with "alternative" remedies for three years before realized what he had done to himself. We argued over the phone for hours about the "Big Medicine Conspiracy". He was convinced by a natural practitioner that doctors were hiding the cure for cancer so we could make more money. I asked him the simple question: "Do you think one of us docs might break the 'cabal' to save ourselves or a family member? Don't you think I would give such a miracle cure to my own brother if it existed???" He had no answer.
I'm not surprised to hear of MD's buying into this madness...we have our share of crazies too.
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