The problem is that they're primarily designed to meet regulation-required "quality metrics," to show that we told someone to quit smoking, wear a seatbelt, or take prenatal vitamins regardless of whether the patient is a 6 month old infant, 28 year old guy, or 97 year old woman. Because, you know, those things are for more important then talking about the patient's chest pain or new-onset hemiparesis.
As a result, the EHR's are full of horseshit that tell you absolutely nothing about the patient that relates to, say, WHY THEY CAME TO THE DOCTOR.
When I was in training I was taught that, within the SOAP format (subjective, objective, assessment, plan) your note should tell a story of sorts: what's happened to the patient, what do you think it all means, and what are you going to do about it. It should be written so that the other doctors involved in the person's care can understand what you're thinking and doing. It also should be that way so you can pick up the thread when the patient returns.
That, sadly, isn't the case anymore. Now a note is just a string of vital signs, discontinued prescriptions, the same family history that's in every previous note in the chart, cut & pasted test results (some going back years and completely irrelevant now) and boxes that have either been checked or unchecked.
Physical exam, for example. To describe the tongue, most neurologists include it in a stock phrase like "Cranial Nerves II-XII are normal." If something isn't normal, most ad an "except for..." or "with the exception of..." and go on to describe the issue.
Of course "normal" isn't good enough for an EHR. Neither is "intact," "unremarkable," or "within normal limits." You have to have computer-generated shit like this:
After all, why use one word when 36 will do?
Here's another example. It's no longer enough to just put something like "family history is unknown" (you often hear that in the adopted) You need a whole, stupid, repetitive, idiotic, PARAGRAPH to say that:
Then there's horseshit like this. Although labeled as "Previous Therapy" it doesn't even mention therapy, just a nonsensical sentence:
Or similar gibberish which basically says "we didn't do any of this, we aren't sure why we did or didn't, but it met some quality measurement goal so it doesn't matter."
Then there are things that are just plain ridiculous, like this:
Or this:
This doesn't exactly inspire confidence, either:
Or this strange complaint:
On that note I think I'll save the rest of my bad EHR excerpts for another day. Fortunately or unfortunately, I doubt I'll be running out of them any time soon.
The worst EHR notes are the ones that attempt to make the note in "natural language" and come out looking like they were written by a 3rd Year medical student who never spoke English as a language.
ReplyDeleteThe Chief Complaint is: Follow up
ReplyDeleteactually makes a certain amount of sense. As a patient I've seen too many "why are you seeing the doctor today?" questions in online check-in forms. If it's a followup appointment what am I going to write if it won't let me skip it? And a robot copies it into the EMR system.
When I was checking out of the hospital back in July, the woman going through the checkout checklist spent like fifteen minutes trying to figure out how many times I was supposed to take some drug (likely Oxycontin) and how big a dose. Prescriptions really need better nomenclature. The names of some of my drugs are abbreviated to the point of nonsense. I only recognize them because I remember what they replaced.
ReplyDeleteMy favorite part is when the normal or unexamined stuff gets 2-3 blank lines between each organ system so that the irrelevant material takes up so much space you end up missing the 2-3 lines that indicate that the patient was on the edge of the toilet seat about to start circling the drain 2 weeks ago.
ReplyDeleteCan we go back to the urinary incontinence assassement for a minute. Have achieved a certain age and having the wife tell me I have a wet spot on the front of my pants makes me think the assessment might be appropriate. Little help here doc.
ReplyDeleteHey, when I worked for the health care system (big, non-profit, mostly east of that large river in the middle), we put an awful lot of work into providing you that EMR tool! It was expensive, required a lot of new network stuff, and was especially customized for you!
ReplyDelete:)
I did medical transcription for 25 years, and ended up out of a job because of voice-recognition software and EMR. I also caught a lot of mistakes during those 25 years, too.
ReplyDeleteAs we age, Husband and I are referred to more and more specialists. Every one for the past few years has had a different EMR reporting system and no way can I remember all the sign-in IDs and passwords. The answer I get to most questions I have for doctors is "look it up on your chart." To add insult to injury (medical term) when I try to log on with the information I wrote down it almost always tells me "the sign-in does not match the information we have on file."
ReplyDeleteWorking in disability these records are practically useless but so much better than anything given to me by the VA. A good portion of the time a doc doesn’t test or look at something so it’s listed as normal but another doc notes abnormal findings. Your PCP treats your flu so they mark you gait as normal but a week later your knee surgeon marks it as abnormal. What am I supposed to do with that?
ReplyDeleteI remember a time when my notes said what I wanted them to say using the words I wanted to use. Ah, the good old days.
ReplyDeleteI just logged out of my official record at my group. This stuff is disgusting. From an urgent care appt last week, it is noted that both my parents had diabetes. Neither have. It also lists medication that I don't think was ever prescribed for me.
ReplyDeleteThe follow up appt for the next day, lists more background information, some of which is accurate. It also lists an insane amount of medication, which I spent half the appt clearing up with the nurse who was helping me. It did not list the medication I mentioned above.
And nowhere to be found was the e-visit that is scheduled for tomorrow, per the message I received on my phone.
Epic. Yeah. Epic failure.
I visited a large healthcare system “Convenient Care” last winter. It was the weekend and kids had all been diagnosed with strep and then I got a sore throat and fever. I didn’t want the $100 Urgent Care copay. Unfortunately, the $50 Convenient Care came with someone noting that I was allergic to Benadryl (Diphenhydramine) when what I said was I used Benadryl for minor allergic reactions and my EpiPen for major reactions and somehow that translates into me being allergic to Benadryl. I still can’t get anyone who can permanently delete it.
DeleteFor my pharmacy notes, I use a template I designed to guide what I'm supposed to document. It requests further information in an open-ended design so that I can eliminate (or elaborate) on any area that needs it.
ReplyDeleteI did work in a facility a few years back that used Cerner, with two other permutations, except the company had to fine-tune everything. So, there were three different places to document the same thing in different ways with different data bits.Whenever I had to look or consult or ask someone further to ensure the accuracy of whatever it was that I was inputting, the person at the other end of the phone line complained. (But, I didn't really want to leave the default because it wasn't complete, or accurate, and often misrepresented what I'd observed). Our job depended on how fast we could document it all in every little pigeonhole. Needless to say I didn't last there long.
This made me LOL.
ReplyDeleteZdogg nailed it a few years back...
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/xB_tSFJsjsw?si=kJnSqSXWID19EW5L
Ronald Reagan, "Nine of the most terrifying words in the English language, I'm from the government, and I'm here to help".
ReplyDeleteEpic failure.
ReplyDeleteI quit medicine because of this horseshit. Go to the main campus of Epic in Verona, WI and see where your money is going - it’s not going into anything contributing to patient care. EMR’s in general are an absolute joke.
ReplyDeleteI used to talk to my patients, making eye contact. Now I have to look at the computer, with which I interact more than the patient. This has significantly diminished my enjoyment of medicine, greatly contributing to my burnout. Also, it has increased the cost of Healthcare as it has led to the formation of a new class of employee, the scribe.
ReplyDeleteCan't recall which blog I read it on, but I particularly like the idea of one doc who continues to writes his old SOAP note and puts it in the "notes/comments" box.
ReplyDeleteJust had to request old records for my new eye doctor since we moved and the new doc wants to see old info. 40 pages of gibberish and blank fields.