Ah, a subject near and dear to my heart. And, well, to some other body parts. Currently on IV antibiotics. I'll keep the synthetic poop in mind in case my probiotics don't work well enough. LOL
This related article is actually fascinating. Woof! http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121213193143.htm
Tough getting past the term "stool transplant," but as one who had a 5-day hospital stay turned into 20 two years ago, mostly unconscious but hallucinating, due to c. diff. infection, I'd have probably gone for it, given the choice. It was an exceptionally bad time.
In "The Making of A Surgeon" by William A. Nolen, M.D. [published in 1970 - wow - 40 years ago] - some residents had read an article on this - and, outside protocols - tried it out on a patient. Much backpedaling and "sanitizing" of procedure entailed when discovered.
There had been a front page article about real (that is from humans, so NOT synthetic) poop transplants in the "Plain Dealer" in Cleveland, OH last week. We have been discussing these for maybe two years already on my MS forum.
Maybe only eight U.S. hospitals are doing the fecal matter transplants currently, but they are life savers. It is RARE but has actually been given in a milkshake and it worked.
Google it. An elderly woman from Ohio went to (Mayo clinic possibly????) had it done and within only a few hours began to feel much better. It can be miraculous in some people, albeit gross to hear about.
Hence both the synthetic versions and now the race to isolate the good bacteria and try to put it into a pill form, rather than having to do the stool transplants. Supposedly, fecal transplants had been done in China centuries ago.
It's very real and it WORKS for many. Just sounds revolting.
Is this article really from The Onion or something?
I've heard of kidney transplants, liver transplants, lung, heart, and even a face transplant. But, what the hell is the reason for a "stool transplant"?
Seriously, I have enough of my own shit, why would I need someone else's?
In the age of medical consumerism (and everything else consumerism) you can now buy designer poop.
Particularly amused that they're going to use it to treat other conditions such as obesity. How long until someone reproduces the bacterial colonies of celebrities or athletes? Poop it like Beckham in just three days!
That said, I wonder if this could be an effective treatment for irritable bowel? Which, while admittedly low on the serious-conditions scale, is not particularly joyful to live with.
May I just say as part of our donor outreach program we sponsor an annual Walk & Marathon with several celebrity participants, where we give out popular T-shirts and swag (brown) all emblazoned with our slogan:
As a vet tech (I am a college-educated poop expert) the only problem I have with this is the name. RePOOPulate?? As if the treatment wouldn't cause immature snickering in the staff room as it is.
The science is sound, but I hope it's given by rectal catheter instead of milshake form.
I've cared for elderly people who have died from c-diff. I've heard of the faecal transplants but I don't think there's anyone near me that does them. I like the idea of the synthetic faeces but as a previous poster said the name is a bit dodgy.
Mind you I'm also really interested in "organic debridement" (maggot therapy) for non healing wounds.
It almost missed it in the last alinea "to treat other GI conditions, such as inflammatory bowel disease, obesity and even autism" When did autism become a GI condition?
Transfaunation in herbivores is common in veterinary practice. Imbalance in gut/rumenfauna kills herbivores. Rumen content or feaces from healthy animals is used for that. So no need to snigger except at the name.
C diff colitis is no laughing matter, along with MRSA, VRE = meaner and nastier "bugs" thanks in large part to overuse and inappropriate use of antibiotics. For many the reoccurance rate is high, along with increase in comorbidity, not to mention death. Stool transplant has been administered with "tube" technique which is invasive. Milkshake version is non invasive. Look up how many pounds of bug and rodent waste you likely eat a year, and sanitized medical milkshake to save your life looks pretty lame in comparison. Hey, not to late to get your flu shot!
I tossed this out to the other docs on shift, and we've heard of the transplants done with NG tube and via rectal transplant, but collectively we doubt the milkshake PO. Unless someone has a link.
One of our guys knows a doc he thinks is doing it across town and will check with him on it. We're easily amused.
It's not just elderly people at risk from C. Dif. My cousin was in the hospital for a broken rib and nearly died from the C. Dif. She is only 58 and is a doctor herself so people were taking good care of her.
Referral: Maryn McKenna On Regulatory Obstacles To Fecal Transplants
"A little over 40 years ago (1970 to be precise), I read a book that had a profound effect on my future. It was Dr. William Nolen’s The Making of A Surgeon, which recounted his surgical internship at Bellevue Hospital during the 1950s."
Would the commercial soundtrack be "You can't touch this!"
ReplyDeleteDoes it come with sound effects too?
ReplyDeleteSynthetic poop? Um, isn't that what probiotics and fermented foods are for? To regrow what you need... Really? Synthetic poop...
ReplyDeleteWell, at least we know he wouldn't get diarrhea.
Oh my! My MIL has just been diagnosed with C. difficile. How timely is this? Thank you!
ReplyDeleteI read the title and thought, "please tell me you don't have to eat it," but they never mentioned delivery, so I have to assume.
ReplyDeleteAh, a subject near and dear to my heart. And, well, to some other body parts. Currently on IV antibiotics. I'll keep the synthetic poop in mind in case my probiotics don't work well enough. LOL
ReplyDeleteThis related article is actually fascinating. Woof! http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121213193143.htm
Okay, I gotta know: Is this real or some kind of shenanigan?
ReplyDeleteTough getting past the term "stool transplant," but as one who had a 5-day hospital stay turned into 20 two years ago, mostly unconscious but hallucinating, due to c. diff. infection, I'd have probably gone for it, given the choice. It was an exceptionally bad time.
ReplyDeleteYeah. I'm curious as to how this is administered. Deep probe?
ReplyDeleteEh.
On that screen, is that a good electrocardiogram or is there some ST elevation?
ReplyDeleteC Diff is some nasty shit.
ReplyDeleteIn "The Making of A Surgeon" by William A. Nolen, M.D. [published in 1970 - wow - 40 years ago] - some residents had read an article on this - and, outside protocols - tried it out on a patient. Much backpedaling and "sanitizing" of procedure entailed when discovered.
ReplyDeleteThere had been a front page article about real (that is from humans, so NOT synthetic) poop transplants in the "Plain Dealer" in Cleveland, OH last week. We have been discussing these for maybe two years already on my MS forum.
ReplyDeleteMaybe only eight U.S. hospitals are doing the fecal matter transplants currently, but they are life savers. It is RARE but has actually been given in a milkshake and it worked.
Google it. An elderly woman from Ohio went to (Mayo clinic possibly????) had it done and within only a few hours began to feel much better. It can be miraculous in some people, albeit gross to hear about.
Hence both the synthetic versions and now the race to isolate the good bacteria and try to put it into a pill form, rather than having to do the stool transplants. Supposedly, fecal transplants had been done in China centuries ago.
It's very real and it WORKS for many. Just sounds revolting.
Stool transplants?
ReplyDeleteIs this article really from The Onion or something?
I've heard of kidney transplants, liver transplants, lung, heart, and even a face transplant. But, what the hell is the reason for a "stool transplant"?
Seriously, I have enough of my own shit, why would I need someone else's?
Is it wrong that I find this hilarious?
ReplyDeleteIn the age of medical consumerism (and everything else consumerism) you can now buy designer poop.
Particularly amused that they're going to use it to treat other conditions such as obesity. How long until someone reproduces the bacterial colonies of celebrities or athletes? Poop it like Beckham in just three days!
That said, I wonder if this could be an effective treatment for irritable bowel? Which, while admittedly low on the serious-conditions scale, is not particularly joyful to live with.
Load o' crap!
ReplyDeleteMay I just say as part of our donor outreach program we sponsor an annual Walk & Marathon with several celebrity participants, where we give out popular T-shirts and swag (brown) all emblazoned with our slogan:
ReplyDelete"Give a shit!"
As a vet tech (I am a college-educated poop expert) the only problem I have with this is the name. RePOOPulate?? As if the treatment wouldn't cause immature snickering in the staff room as it is.
ReplyDeleteThe science is sound, but I hope it's given by rectal catheter instead of milshake form.
I've cared for elderly people who have died from c-diff. I've heard of the faecal transplants but I don't think there's anyone near me that does them. I like the idea of the synthetic faeces but as a previous poster said the name is a bit dodgy.
ReplyDeleteMind you I'm also really interested in "organic debridement" (maggot therapy) for non healing wounds.
That's how we roll up here in Southern Ontario. Curing shit.
ReplyDeletePun intended
It almost missed it in the last alinea "to treat other GI conditions, such as inflammatory bowel disease, obesity and even autism" When did autism become a GI condition?
ReplyDeleteTransfaunation in herbivores is common in veterinary practice. Imbalance in gut/rumenfauna kills herbivores. Rumen content or feaces from healthy animals is used for that. So no need to snigger except at the name.
ReplyDeleteWouldn't that make him "The Biotic Man"?
ReplyDeleteJealous Neuros poo poo this idea because they are not on the cutting edge of medical technique, it bugs the crap out of them
ReplyDeleteC diff colitis is no laughing matter, along with MRSA, VRE = meaner and nastier "bugs" thanks in large part to overuse and inappropriate use of antibiotics. For many the reoccurance rate is high, along with increase in comorbidity, not to mention death. Stool transplant has been administered with "tube" technique which is invasive. Milkshake version is non invasive. Look up how many pounds of bug and rodent waste you likely eat a year, and sanitized medical milkshake to save your life looks pretty lame in comparison. Hey, not to late to get your flu shot!
ReplyDeleteI tossed this out to the other docs on shift, and we've heard of the transplants done with NG tube and via rectal transplant, but collectively we doubt the milkshake PO. Unless someone has a link.
ReplyDeleteOne of our guys knows a doc he thinks is doing it across town and will check with him on it. We're easily amused.
It's not just elderly people at risk from C. Dif. My cousin was in the hospital for a broken rib and nearly died from the C. Dif. She is only 58 and is a doctor herself so people were taking good care of her.
ReplyDelete@anonymous January 14, 2013 at 3:54 PM
ReplyDeletehttp://afludiary.blogspot.com/2011/12/referral-maryn-mckenna-on-regulatory.html
Referral: Maryn McKenna On Regulatory Obstacles To Fecal Transplants
"A little over 40 years ago (1970 to be precise), I read a book that had a profound effect on my future. It was Dr. William Nolen’s The Making of A Surgeon, which recounted his surgical internship at Bellevue Hospital during the 1950s."
Thank you Grumpy for this link. We really enjoyed it here at the Hotel Rehab.
ReplyDeleteCause s&*t really happens!