tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post5763356472407100900..comments2024-03-18T09:00:31.992-04:00Comments on Doctor Grumpy in the House: Truth, NOT yak shitGrumpy, M.D.http://www.blogger.com/profile/09858110332436246760noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-925228042179551982012-03-29T15:34:33.475-04:002012-03-29T15:34:33.475-04:00Way late comment on this thread (just found the bl...Way late comment on this thread (just found the blog), but as a pediatrician, this crap drives me INSANE. It's so infuriating to see parents refuse to protect their children with vaccines. I guess it's better if they die of something easily preventable.<br />As for the poster who wanted his daughters to prevent with abstinence, do you expect them to abstain even after marriage? They can be exposed to HPV even if their ONLY partner was exposed. Get them the vaccine for safety's sake.<br />End of rant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-9783130253737968582011-09-28T12:44:07.068-04:002011-09-28T12:44:07.068-04:00@ therrin (ben) my children have been vaccinated -...@ therrin (ben) my children have been vaccinated - but - if a vaccine came out suddenly claiming to cure xyz, would you jump on the bandwagon to get it - only to find out the side effects later? You seem to lump me in with the anti-vaccine crowd. Let's see.. dengue fever is growing here in S. Texas. Is there a vaccine against a disease that they're not very likely to get? You have to figure risks vs. benefits. What are the risks of Gardisil? I notice you can't find a full list of side effects online. They say "ask your doctor". Why? Because they have so much spare time to read through reams of paper? We looked at side effects when we got our girls vaccinated with polio vaccine.. injected vs. oral. we decided on ipv, as the risks were lower on ipv than opv. I prefer to *know the risks vs benefit* tyvm. As for diseases decreasing, are you saying that suddenly teh cancer rate will have a sharp spike downward due to the HPV vaccine (which has already killed a bit over 100 women since 2007)? Plus the list of drug interactions. Really? I guess Hepatitis B is because your child could have sex with, or become an IV drug user. Let's just bubble-wrap everyone, and duct tape them to the wall so that no ill effect ever hits anyone.Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17765443131151220391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-73669189718164847872011-09-24T14:45:00.728-04:002011-09-24T14:45:00.728-04:00Michele Bachman is nuttier than a can of peanuts, ...Michele Bachman is nuttier than a can of peanuts, but there is a hard core of concern in her comments that needs to be addressed. And Texas Gov. Rick Perry had no business making Gardasil opt-out.<br /><br />Government vaccination requirements make perfect sense for the highly contagious diseases that can kill or maim: polio, smallpox, German measles, and so forth.<br /><br />But we have seen in recent decades the requirements go beyond that. It started with requiring vaccinations for diseases that are far less lethal, and are actually more of a nuisance for most children than a real threat: chicken pox, mumps. Remember that one such vaccine that many states had required was to combat a bug that caused diarrhea—and it had to be taken off the market after it was linked to intestinal blockages in infants. A raging debate continues about the efficacy of this group of vaccines, with (for example) the possibility that the chicken pox vaccine will lose its effectiveness rapidly in just a few years, requiring (conveniently mandated) booster shots. And this group also introduced more parents to vaccine-caused side effects.<br /><br />Now the government is mandating, or attempting to, shots to combat lifestyle-related diseases. The odds of someone getting hepatitis B is actually slim, yet newborns must have the vaccine. Why? I took the shots as an adult working in the high-risk field of corrections and see no need for it for the general public. Except the well known risk groups, you or your children basically have to make an appointment to contract hep B. Then came another example, Gardasil... Just wait till the HIV vaccine.<br /><br />We have seen vaccine mandates run amok. Maybe the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine doesn't "cause" autism, but what about the possibility that the hep B vaccine at birth or the combos of all these other newer ones are having some effect? Maybe the mercury preservative thimerosal doesn't cause autism when injected as part of a vaccine, but can you say it's totally free of side effects? After all, it's basically Merthiolate without the orange dye; and Merthiolate carried warnings against internal use, and you can't find it any more at most pharmacies anyway.<br /><br />And there is wide suspicion in some scientific circles that overvaccination had led to the glut of immune disorders in children because their immune systems don't get to contend with normal diseases but instead react to innocuous things. Asthma, increasingly rampant food allergies, and Type 1 diabetes are examples of such disorders.<br /><br />A fund set up in the 1980s is supposed to compensate victims of injuries caused by vaccines. In practice, parents who had seemingly ironclad cases consistently report stonewalling and denial of compensation. Victims of the more recent shots won't be any better off.<br /><br />A side issue is that many parents are uninsured or underinsured and must pay full price for a never-ending, growing series of mandated shots. I once worked for a self-insured corporation that would not cover well-baby care, so this is a real issue. $100 here, $300 there—it all adds up, especially if the mandated shot is for an inconvenient, as opposed to a deadly, disease.<br /><br />Many parents are justifiably concerned about such issues. Bachmann is simply playing to their concerns.<br /><br />Government has no business <i>mandating</i> the latter two series of vaccines. They are nonessential. <i>If you want to give them to your children and you are informed of the risks, fine.</i> But as another poster remarked, this is the same government that actually gave or refused to treat grave diseases in select groups of people before; you trust its "concern" for your health with vaccine mandates now?<br /><br />And if the government were to mandate (hypothetical) shots for children to prevent gonorrhea, syphilis, herpes, and HIV, would you <i>really</i> go along with this? Or would you have had enough and would instead refuse or protest?<br /><br />This is where Bachman is coming from. And it resonates well with many parents—for good reason.K-Mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-2679689746520636832011-09-24T02:56:57.224-04:002011-09-24T02:56:57.224-04:00premed student is back. To the person who advised ...premed student is back. To the person who advised me to leave medicine, or my plans to go to med school: thank you for your advice, but I doubt I will ever change my mind regarding Medicine. As far as I know Medical School values diversity, and people with different backgrounds, beliefs, lifestyles, etc. That way the new trained professionals can actually help and interact with all types patients, even with people whom we disagree with. I bet there are plenty of students like me who love the field and would like to improve things that might need to be improved. <br /><br />Btw, I recall saying that although I disagree the way prescriptions are given today specially to children I'm all for taking advantage of medicine to improve people's quality of life.Medicine is great but the whole interaction with insurance companies is negatively affecting the field, the professionals and as a result, the patients.<br /><br />To the psychiatric nurse: I understand your point of view and your reasons, obviously you have seen many cases in which medication have helped children with special needs, but I was more referring to children of parents with "busy" lifestyles who use antidepressants as a quick way to deal with their kids behavioral problems (or to help them focus on school to get good grades). You probably know this, but there are way too many children from rich families unnecessarily taking antidepressants for the wrong reasons. <br /><br />There is so much to do, there are many fields that could benefit medicine, to give u an example I've heard great things that could be done with plant-based vaccines. We could improve the quality of the vaccines (less risks for people), lower the costs, and make it more accessible to people in need.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-51790599155645437862011-09-23T07:48:14.205-04:002011-09-23T07:48:14.205-04:00You read the above comments and you realize how ac...You read the above comments and you realize how accurate <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289611000912" rel="nofollow">this research</a> is: It shows an inverse correlation between IQ and degree of religious belief.Albertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-29564080533844865962011-09-20T18:50:00.873-04:002011-09-20T18:50:00.873-04:00I've seen this point a couple of times in this...I've seen this point a couple of times in this thread: <i>we decided against it ...[because]... there have been so many medications put on the market, then withdrawn when they find out hey.. it's not such a good idea</i><br /><br />The conflation of medications and vaccines can only happen if you don't understand the difference between the two. <br /><br />Medications are like bulldozers that build, say, a new road. If it turns out not to be done right, you could get landslides. Depending on the type of problem, the landslide could happen 30 years later.<br /><br />Vaccines are like a new stop sign. If there's a problem with where it was put, say in the middle of the road, and a car smashes into it, that happens with the first car that comes along. Not 30 years later. If there are no immediate problems with a vaccine then <i>there is no problem</i>.<br /><br />Also, I want to second the commenter who said the resurgence of some preventable infectious diseases is due to anti-vaccine prejudices. Definitely not to porous borders. Vaccination rates in less-developed countries, when people can get the vaccines, are <i>higher</i> than in developed ones. They're much more aware of what disease can do, and are much better at evaluating the relative risk posed by vaccination.quixotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12650030894065858444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-79760933230265193752011-09-20T18:30:59.625-04:002011-09-20T18:30:59.625-04:00I agree with Therrin.
A lot of infectious diseases...I agree with Therrin.<br />A lot of infectious diseases are resurfacing because of the idiotic attitude of people like Diane.<br />If you don't to immunize yourself and your kids, go live in an jungle. Don't come near immunized people and ruin herd immunity. <br />And who does it cost when your kids get sick because you were too stupid to vaccinate them? The Taxpayers! When your kids end up in the ER, and consume costly resources, I hope you pay for each and every medical service you use.<br /><br />Thanks for adding the burden to tax payers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-35223458570575462872011-09-20T16:54:10.507-04:002011-09-20T16:54:10.507-04:00To me many -not all- vaccines as well as antidepre...<i>To me many -not all- vaccines as well as antidepressants start a never-ending cycle that 90% of the time only pharmaceutical companies benefit from.</i><br /><br />Did you forget to wear your tinfoil hat this morning?<br /><br /><i>The second was syncope, or loss of consciousness, which occurred in 8.2/100,000 doses. </i><br /><br />Fear of needles. -.-<br /><br /><i>The thing that strikes me most about debates is how each side treats the other as if they were wrong to think how they think. In the end, what it comes to is being informed about the vaccine and making your own decision on it. This applies to any vaccine or drug therapy.</i><br /><br />Except that most pro-vaccine have already evaluated the risk and concluded that it is BETTER to vaccinate IN SPITE OF the very low risk negative outcomes. To say that those favoring vaccination aren't aware of that risk is arguing from ignorance.<br /><br /><i>I love the IDEA of vaccines but someone else deciding what I should and should not do with my own body feels like and has always felt like a violation.</i><br /><br />What about other peoples' bodies? Do they not have a legitimate concern that you (the hypothetical refuser) might pass the virus on to them? Having it be mandatory isn't [only] about one person's health, it's about everyone's.<br /><br /><i>I can see shots for polio, mmr, et al, as these diseases are making a comeback (thankk you porous border).</i><br /><br />Actually, they're making a comeback because of people like you, Diane. It's because of vaccinations these diseases have been decreasing, and it's because of ignorant refusal to vaccinate that they are resurfacing. And your passive-aggressive tone trolling is far more "scurrilous" than outright name-calling. I offer to you a decayed porcupine, in the hope that you've trolled elsewhere and know what to do with it.<br /><br /><i>Its crap like this (and perry's trying to make it mandatory) that makes me run towards libertarianism and away from statists and republicrats/demicans.</i><br /><br />Oh please. Why don't you ask Somalia how libertarianism is working out for them? You seem to think life was better in the 19th century, maybe you should turn off Fox Newz and read a history book.<br /><br />Just Me, your link doesn't work, and I wasn't able to find the actual video on the site itself (which is quite poorly designed and lacking in content). I'm left to assume the "doctor" you're referring to is the one who's name appears around the site, Hilary Andrews. This person does not appear to be a medical doctor, or at least is not licensed to practice in Oregon, and is actually a naturopath (yay colon cleanses and homeopathy).<br /><br />Oh wait, I just found how to get it, I have to PAY to be (presumably) lied to. Pass, thanks.Therrin (Ben S)https://www.blogger.com/profile/05744164800086819760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-20280446123033341502011-09-20T09:08:46.069-04:002011-09-20T09:08:46.069-04:00If a politician said it, it's probably Yak shi...If a politician said it, it's probably Yak shit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-62508289579562363242011-09-20T07:50:46.494-04:002011-09-20T07:50:46.494-04:00@anon 10:33 - A little off topic, but I feel the ...@anon 10:33 - A little off topic, but I feel the need to respond to a med student who thinks that too many children are being given antidepressants. As a psychiatric nurse who works with children who have mental health problems, I think you need a little more experience on this subject. Try working with a kid who has a mood disorder before claiming that the medication is numbing him. It would also be helpful to spend some time with a child who has ADHD -- choose a day that she is unmedicated. <br /><br />The conclusion that medications are not needed is simple from a theoretical standpoint. It's easy to just expect parents and kids to adapt - it must be the environment, right? I work with parents to adapt their interventions, and behavior modification can be quite effective. With that said, I believe that when medications are needed, we should not be so judgmental.DreamingTreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09911536074688347584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-49172570711880663092011-09-19T22:31:04.059-04:002011-09-19T22:31:04.059-04:00Just some factual information 4,000 women die from...Just some factual information 4,000 women die from cervical cancer yearly - horrible (mostly in their 20-30s). HOWEVER, 2,000 girls (12-17 year old) are seriously hurt by the vaccine that may never have gotten cervical cancer and who may still actually get HPV later after it wears off. Make choices, but consider looking at the information that we know about this vaccine. Get CME from non drug reps/drug companies before recommending this drug to others. Information from the CDC and NIH. My concern for this vaccine is the death of a 12 year old who may or may not have ever gotten HPV.<br />http://vaccineconsult.com/ce-courses/pre-recorded-webinars/hpv-vaccine-warts-and-all-pre-recorded-webinar/<br />This is a fabulous non-partial CME on the topic taught by an immunologist.Just Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884442981866929503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-70323987359128952982011-09-19T20:54:04.648-04:002011-09-19T20:54:04.648-04:00I bet most people that oppose vaccines for "s...I bet most people that oppose vaccines for "safety reasons" <br /><br />(1) Drive a car (pretty much one of the most dangerous things you can do).<br /><br />(2) Take the occasional tylenol, aspirin, or advil (Much worse safety profile then vaccination for much less benefit).<br /><br />(3)Use "natural" supplements that have no research behind them, no quality control standards, and no reporting programs to have any knowledge of adverse effects.Toddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15145094188519338727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-2733521350905494742011-09-19T19:54:11.102-04:002011-09-19T19:54:11.102-04:00"Fact is, I could write an entire blog about ...<i>"Fact is, I could write an entire blog about how ridiculous it is that vaccines are being blamed for causing autism and so forth and how people like Jenny McCarthy use their pseudo-celebrity status to push their cause because something tragic happened to them."</i><br /><br />Not only that, but Jenny McCarthy didn't actually <b>have</b> autism happen to her - her son was mis-daignosed. She still wants to be a "voice for autism" and I want to say, "No thanks, you've done quite enough already!"Terihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14963866738372943658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-7026255992885973782011-09-19T18:58:00.984-04:002011-09-19T18:58:00.984-04:00I'll leave my name.. we decided against it for...I'll leave my name.. we decided against it for our girls - AS one poster said - there have been so many medications put on the market, then withdrawn when they find out hey.. it's not such a good idea Plus, living in TX It's none of the government's business if my girls get or don't get the HPV shot. I can see shots for polio, mmr, et al, as these diseases are making a comeback (thankk you porous border). It is up to each individual family..and your scurrilous name-calling of people who choose NOT to, guess that goes to show the quality of your argument. "oh, I disagree with you, I have no dog in the fight, i have no real statements to back me up, but you're a troglodyte (or whatver). Talk about stuffing your desires onto other people's families. Its crap like this (and perry's trying to make it mandatory) that makes me run towards libertarianism and away from statists and republicrats/demicans.Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17765443131151220391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-25004733232814296572011-09-19T18:50:16.631-04:002011-09-19T18:50:16.631-04:00My biggest problem in high school was that with al...My biggest problem in high school was that with all the vaccines they touted it was never MY choice to get one or not. I intellectually understand "herd immunity" (In college I made my own choice to get a whooping cough vaccine). I love the IDEA of vaccines but someone else deciding what I should and should not do with my own body feels like and has always felt like a violation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-34138647720203955312011-09-19T18:06:25.884-04:002011-09-19T18:06:25.884-04:00To the Non Pre-Med student.
Please change your fi...To the Non Pre-Med student. <br />Please change your field. You obviously don't understand medicine, healthcare or research.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-11577471537124608302011-09-19T18:00:04.539-04:002011-09-19T18:00:04.539-04:00What's weird is that we already routinely vacc...What's weird is that we already routinely vaccinate against Hep B, another sexually transmitted disease, without having to deal with puritanical comments. (That's what it comes down to: sex is sin, and anything that makes sex safer leads to more sin.)<br /><br />Perhaps if we reframed HPV as a "bloodborne infection" rather than "the sex virus" (apparently this is how teens refer to it, according to my friend who is in peds) people would be more OK with it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-20874979971964695802011-09-19T17:27:35.874-04:002011-09-19T17:27:35.874-04:00@joAnna, I know the origin of many vaccines, but t...@joAnna, I know the origin of many vaccines, but there is a large group of non-medical people out there and I simplified it. Her argument was that people were aborting fetuses just to make vaccines. Now, let me ask you this: is it not better to allow those children who unwillingly gave their lives to go on to save others? They were not aborted simply to make vaccines, but something good came from their demise. Liken it to whole organ transplant, if you will. Note that the Catholic church does not forbid vaccination although there is a small but noteworthy movement within the church to use "ethical" vaccines.thethingspatientssayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09926686175578949475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-31631624887375414422011-09-19T11:33:44.359-04:002011-09-19T11:33:44.359-04:00The thing that strikes me most about debates is ho...The thing that strikes me most about debates is how each side treats the other as if they were wrong to think how they think. In the end, what it comes to is being informed about the vaccine and making your own decision on it. This applies to any vaccine or drug therapy.<br /><br />From where I sit, if there's a vaccine that would help prevent my future daughter from getting cervical cancer, I'm for it. Someone I know recently was diagnosed with it, but they aren't sure how far along it is yet.<br /><br />That said, if you are against it, then so be it. But anyone who wants to take advice from a politician, a celebrity, or some random person in line in the grocery store is not making an informed decision. Fact is, I could write an entire blog about how ridiculous it is that vaccines are being blamed for causing autism and so forth and how people like Jenny McCarthy use their pseudo-celebrity status to push their cause because something tragic happened to them.Mad Pharmacy Techhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14549684101773050874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-54388335153412586892011-09-19T08:23:32.740-04:002011-09-19T08:23:32.740-04:00Oh boy, a vaccine is ideally used as one step in p...Oh boy, a vaccine is ideally used as one step in prevention. Take the flu for example, get the vaccine, wash your hand frequently, and eating a balanced diet will all help to prevent it.<br /><br />With HPV, get the vaccine, practice safe sex, pap's (for secondary prevention,)etc. <br /><br />One a side note, any chance in this prevention oral cancers as well?<br /><br />A few links for those who are interested from the folks at SBM:<br /><br /><br />http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/beware-hpv-dna-in-gardasil/<br /><br />http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/mercola-gardasil-and-toyota/<br /><br />http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/gardasil-safety-revisited/<br /><br />As a part of routine post-licensure follow-up and to address these very concerns, “Postlicensure Safety Surveillance for HPV Vaccine” was funded by the FDA and CDC and published last month in JAMA. This article is the largest attempt to evaluate the adverse events seen since qHPV was released. In it, the authors compared the adverse events reported to VAERS to the expected background rate of reported events in the unvaccinated general population of women aged 9-26, re-evaluating the previously reported adverse events known from licensure as well as the reports of more serious events that have gained public attention. The results are reassuring.<br /><br />Over the first 2.5 years since its release, 23 million doses of qHPV were administered, and VAERS received 12,424 reports of adverse events. Of these, only 772 (6.2%) were classified as serious or life-threatening. <br /><br />Of all of these events, only two are above what one should expect from their respective baseline rates and not previously identified by the original licensure studies. The first is Venous Thromboembolic Events (VTEs). These are blood clots within the blood vessels that can be quite serious; these occurred in 0.2/100,000 doses. The second was syncope, or loss of consciousness, which occurred in 8.2/100,000 doses. This does not establish that qHPV causes these events; remember that this study and the VAERS in general are not designed to establish causation. Nevertheless, further studies are certainly warranted to confirm or refute qHPV’s role in these rare events, and physicians should bear the correlation in mind when considering the administration of qHPV.<br /><br />Notice, however, that the rates of major events of concern, namely Guillain-Barre syndrome, autoimmune disorders, transverse myelitis, and death, were all exceedingly rare, and not above what one would expect to occur in the normal unvaccinated population. In spite of the clear limitations inherent in the use of the VAERS database, this study should strongly reinforce the confidence of physicians and parents regarding the safety of HPV vaccination.OldSquidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07631679459919246536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-65252786866969323862011-09-19T06:52:58.245-04:002011-09-19T06:52:58.245-04:00Anon 12:06 -- Autism and ADHD are not caused by da...Anon 12:06 -- Autism and ADHD are not caused by daycare or babysitters.<br /><br />Thanks.OMDGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17937425894428802591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-77335268393866167692011-09-19T03:33:54.893-04:002011-09-19T03:33:54.893-04:00To the mom who said her kids were "too old&qu...To the mom who said her kids were "too old"...the vaccine is licensed for ages 9-26 years. It is free to children through age 18 who qualify for the federal VFC program. Contact your state or local HD for more info on this. <br /><br />Indiana schools do have to report HPV vaccine uptake by girls entering grade 6. However, parents are NOT required to respond to the request for info, and the process is anonymous so there is no way to track who responds or who doesn't. Should the schools be required to do this? Well, it was the best way they had to get the data, I think. The law needs to be done away with, there are better ways to do this. The best thing about it is the educational component--they also provide info on the disease and vaccine. Is there a better way to reach this population?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-88149767018379189532011-09-18T21:12:28.375-04:002011-09-18T21:12:28.375-04:00JoAnna: Babies were not killed to make vaccines. ...JoAnna: Babies were not killed to make vaccines. Decades ago, some viruses were cultured on aborted fetal tissue. But even the *Vatican* issued a statement in 2005, saying it's okay to use vaccines if there's no alternative. I think it's less ethical to spread disease and possibly death to living children than to protest use of fetuses that were aborted decades ago.Fizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11989684741783903947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-14569488771601880152011-09-18T19:44:07.302-04:002011-09-18T19:44:07.302-04:00thethingspatientssay - actually, many common child...thethingspatientssay - actually, many common childhood vaccinations use aborted fetal stem cell lines. The "Catholic" who said that was bunk obviously <a href="http://www.rtl.org/prolife_issues/LifeNotes/VaccinesAbortion_FetalTissue.html" rel="nofollow">didn't do his/her research</a>. <br /><br />The morally problematic aspect with effectively profiting off the death of aborted children to benefit ourselves is why my husband and I have chosen to selectively vaccinate our kids. I would LOVE to have my kids fully vaccinated, but the ethical versions of the problematic vaccines simply aren't available for private purchase (or haven't been approved for use in the U.S.), and we haven't yet found a physician who is willing (for financial reasons) to order what ethical versions are available (we've been told that they can only order in bulk and it's not cost-effective for only 3, soon to be 4, patients). But unless there is immediate, proximate danger, I can't justify profiting off the lives of babies who were killed to make these vaccines.<br /><br />Anyway. Regarding Gardasil, Bachman's comment was moronic. I don't think it's a bad idea -- even if you're firmly convinced your daughter will stay a virgin her entire life, or only have one partner, what about rape? I doubt rapists have any qualms about potentially passing HPV to their victims. I do, however, have a problem with the government mandating any vaccination.JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883634615775822475.post-68740627873204270652011-09-18T19:07:25.585-04:002011-09-18T19:07:25.585-04:00Well said, Dr. G... That woman makes me absolutely...Well said, Dr. G... That woman makes me absolutely crazy. I'm so tired of these politicians whose social agenda trumps everything else, even preventing cancer, for God's sake...<br />leaves one speechless.Frantic Pharmacisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15804872250102867314noreply@blogger.com